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The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« on: January 26, 2017, 11:24:17 PM »
i've noticed something of a trend lately on a handful of webzines I sometimes read. that is a tendency to inject political or social opinion and/or commentary into their articles (both related and unrelated to music news). there's been a couple specific instances i can point to, especially since trump's inauguration, but i'll only mention one specifically - Invisible Oranges - Ten Metal Cliches We Can Do Without. As the title suggests, it addresses or points out a handful of (relatively) common tropes associated in extreme metal. But, surprisingly, not all of them are necessarily related to the music itself. Read the article and you'll see what I mean.

Then of course there's a certain left-wing tabloid that's notorious for having completely jumped the shark a few months back.

Setting aside further developing my thoughts (I'll do that later if/when the discussion here progresses), what do you think about the recent tendency to inject politics or social discourse into not necessarily only the music, but the journalistic aspect of extreme metal?

I'll briefly give my thoughts in advance to fleshing them out, which is to say I think it's a load of fucking tripe and blogs/zines like NoCleanSinging set a great example due to the fact that they altogether ignore commentary immediately unrelated to the music/band that's the topic at hand. I regard music, extreme metal in particular, as being partially escapist in nature, and trying to inject some kind of idiot element into the discussion is complete bullshit.

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Re: The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 03:49:05 AM »
I don't mind politics in lyrics, whatever they may be. I do get pissy when someone tells me that I shouldn't listen to a band because their political views. Who gives a shit? I'm mentally strong enough not to be influenced by some dudes spouting off about how great Satan, the Third Reich, or weed is. I look at most journalism with a disdainful eye anyhow, usually just some knobjob trying to force their views on others. I'm fascinated by the dark side of the human psyche, so why would I not listen to metal? The very fact that it pisses a lot of people off makes me wanna check it out lol. I hold some pretty conservative, even Christian views, but hell if the music is good I'll listen to someone screaming about Glorious Soviet Union (get on that, Knight).

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Re: The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 05:10:49 AM »
Hmm, rereading the OP and I realise I didn't really effectively convey the point I intended to make.

Anyhow, I agree with you. Likewise, I find political lyrics more or less irrelevant in most circumstances. My primary objection is towards the emerging McCarthyism inherent in the modern landscape of "politically correct" discourse. I'd like to think that, like you and me, the vast majority of people who listen to the kind of music we listen to have strong enough will to distinguish and form their own ideologies. Subsequently, they're intelligent and secure enough to regard conflicting or alternative philosophies without suffering a total mental breakdown and/or radical conversion.

This obsession certain writers have with promoting an atmosphere of acceptance and "brotherhood" within extreme music, of nurturing a "safe space" (for want of a better term), is disgusting. I regard it as an intellectual hijack. On one hand I can agree that a vehemently outspoken and generally violent racist probably ought not be be fluttering around the social circles, but on the other, ousting, confronting, and generally slandering a musician for something they said in an interview ten years ago is disassociated and hysterical nonsense. And then pretending, with all the forced outrage one can muster, that they speak for the entirety of the scene by calling for some sort of prolonged shunning or boycott.
It's essentially an ideological witch-hunt.
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Re: The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 02:07:53 PM »
Brotherhood of metal, lmao. That's for cucks who don't have the nuts to be their own person. Weak-willed people tend to flock together. I literally have like 5 real life friends, and that's all I've ever needed. Metal should be fucking abrasive, obnoxious, and non-conformist. It's never gonna be in good taste with most people. If people are agreeing with you all the time, you best be wary. I like individuals who aren't afraid to speak their minds. That's what makes life interesting. I've known quite a few of you for a long while now, and we argue on a regular basis. We say offensive things to each other. I don't think we've ever considered ourselves a "brotherhood". Just a collection of assholes who like a lot of the same music and who can be shockingly nice or mean to each other. Pushing your views on others is a sure-fire way for people to ignore you. Personally, I find myself wondering how the hell I'm friends with a bunch of atheists, left-wingers, basically the opposite of a lot of the things I hold dear. Simply put, it's because people are just people and you can be friends with those who are your polar opposite. It makes for lots of lulz.

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Re: The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2017, 10:54:01 PM »
this is basically journalism everywhere. people only want to write about identity politics. probably most respectable metal journalists don't get as much traffic on their sites and these disruptors make the most noise because of the inherent controversy.
people are more interested in identity and feelings of righteousness than music so it's not surprising for these types of cretins to gain followings in scenes where they have no business being.

that being said i'm high, skipped through most of the thread so i might be talking shite, and i don't care about music journalism very much so i'm only familiar with the more well known issues like that shit with pantsera man and whatever happened with D666

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Re: The current climate of "journalism" in metal
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 11:23:59 PM »
Hmm, rereading the OP and I realise I didn't really effectively convey the point I intended to make.

Anyhow, I agree with you. Likewise, I find political lyrics more or less irrelevant in most circumstances. My primary objection is towards the emerging McCarthyism inherent in the modern landscape of "politically correct" discourse. I'd like to think that, like you and me, the vast majority of people who listen to the kind of music we listen to have strong enough will to distinguish and form their own ideologies. Subsequently, they're intelligent and secure enough to regard conflicting or alternative philosophies without suffering a total mental breakdown and/or radical conversion.

This obsession certain writers have with promoting an atmosphere of acceptance and "brotherhood" within extreme music, of nurturing a "safe space" (for want of a better term), is disgusting. I regard it as an intellectual hijack. On one hand I can agree that a vehemently outspoken and generally violent racist probably ought not be be fluttering around the social circles, but on the other, ousting, confronting, and generally slandering a musician for something they said in an interview ten years ago is disassociated and hysterical nonsense. And then pretending, with all the forced outrage one can muster, that they speak for the entirety of the scene by calling for some sort of prolonged shunning or boycott.
It's essentially an ideological witch-hunt.

This pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

I dropped off the face of the internet just before it started becoming a thing, and am too introverted irl to have taken notice any other way, at least not at the time, so when I came back and started seeing it I was baffled.  I was used to metal, especially black metal which seems to get targeted the most, being a more thick-skinned genre.  Granted, MT was the metal community I grew up in, so to speak, and thick skin was required from the start.  Maybe you guys spoiled me.

I always just accepted that I don't get to decide what inspires someone else to make music.